Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. It didnt raise red flags for me. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. Its the inspired word of God. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. You are correct! If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. XII. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. See if you recognize any. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. JUDAH. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. Christ suffered and I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. N/A This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist Only God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. 39. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. God forgave my husband through Christ. 15. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. Or deciding not to clap for special music? Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. Lol. 9. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. The church never knew our problems but god did. Heartland Baptist Bible College The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Thanks. Some of these doctrines are as listed. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. Abortion is murder. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. 10. 3. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction 50. 44. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network No member shall This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. 36. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Its pure manipulation. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. I only hope that you will see it before too long. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. How will you escape the judgment of hell? Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. I forgave him before he changed. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. 48. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? 5. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. 22. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) I know the answers now. What an extensive list. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. God Bless. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. We reject all cooperation with this movement. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. Its NOT ABOUT US! 52. Care to elaborate, provide examples? Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. Everyone has sent in their life. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. Do you find them so humorous ? I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). We didnt go, but they came back the next week. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. All I do is reply to comments. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. They bought your loyalty. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. 6. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. BUT, there is good news! Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. Well I am a little confused. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Wherever there are people, there is sin. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. 26 You blind Pharisee! Baptist anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! All people need to do is humbly ask for one. Constitution and While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! LOL. I thought youd like that. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. 49. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. Does the lord convict me when I miss? Baptist beliefs Baptist OMG = Oh My Goodness! N/A Not of works, lest any man should boast. Yes, see my answer to your first question. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. Hypocrites! Some of these are very much right on the money. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Only the KJV will be used in this group; Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. We had no money.. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. Romans 5:8 They are counting on your service and tithe. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. (2 Cor. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. N/A She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. They said no mixed bathing. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. Then you have churches with no standards . Ephesians 2:8-9 Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. Thanks for reading! No one knew about the marriage except us. I am also against body piercings as well. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5.
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