It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. The memory of their son and grandson are never far.. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? I had a husband I loved. That gave her a chance to do something useful for some people who needed it, said David. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? I dont understand how that can be ignored.. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? See rank. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. But something kept me going, and. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. February 24, 2009: (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? Now, she sucked us in here, too. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance Check your local listings for channel info. Had the case played out in the U.S. court system, they believe Zachary would still be with them. Imagine being the parents of a man who was killed and then having to ingratiate yourself to the killer in order to keep your grandchild safe. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. I--we both did. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. If. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Dear Zachary was the most honored film at Cinequest 18 in San Jose, receiving sustained standing ovations from packed houses at all 3 screenings and winning 2 awards - a Special Jury Award for Documentary Feature and the Audience Award. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. We urge everyone to write your MP (if Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if not) urging them to support MP Andrews and his bill as it moves toward a vote in the near future. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? They recorded them. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Shirley Turner had some startling news. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. It was for custody of their grandchild who looked exactly like his father that they moved to the city of their sons killer. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. August 5, 2008: Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Or it's in the car. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. -, "Demonstrates independent film at its finest." Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. You dont get over it. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? The night was. After arriving home, she drove 900 miles back to Pennsylvania to kill the man who rejected her. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. Did. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. murderer in check. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. David bagby, left, and kate bagby, right, celebrate with their son andrew bagby at his graduation from medical school at memorial university of newfoundland in june 2000. contributed by david and kate bagby. ', KATE: He's so loved. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Add a bio, trivia, and more. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Click here for ticket information! Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: Cpl. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. substance to it. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. Because she didnt know love either. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' Turner killed herself and Zachary before she could be tried for murder. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. And this is where director Kurt Kuenne is really smart. Mommy misses you. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. April 14, 2009: Dear Zachary was then voted the #3 audience favorite of the festival by viewer ballot, out of the 172 distinguished documentaries screening at Hot Docs. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. They are selfless. Then, in August 2003, Shirley killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. And I saw that night her malignancy. The couple was also involved in a support group for parents of murdered children and sat through three murder trials to try and help other surviving parents deal with their incredible grief. -. You can't tell them this over the phone. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. David Bagby - IMDb One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Sharing voices. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. I couldn't see the point anymore. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Andrew came to St. John's. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. Cpl. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. Cpl. Dr. Andrew David Bagby (1973-2001) - Find a Grave Memorial (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. Zachary didn't seem like. Amazon | B&N And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss: And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. All rights reserved. Ensure local journalism stays in your community by purchasing a membership today. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it.